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Putin plans to remove Mishustin so that he does not become his successor - Feygin

1 November, 2022 Tuesday
02:22

In an interview with Anton Borkovskyi, host of the Studio Zahid program on Espreso TV, the Russian opposition politician, lawyer Mark Feygin talked about the backroom games of Putin and his entourage, and who can replace the dictator

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Umaro Sissoco Embaló began implementing the so-called African shuttle diplomacy: he immediately rushed to Kyiv from Moscow. A powerful geopolitical player, Guinea-Bissau, is on the diplomatic front. Kissinger is crying.

Putin has not even descended to the level of third world countries, but rather to some fourth world, repeating some tribalist tribes, but on the horizontal level, Putin's level is Embaló. And horizontally, Zelenskyy's level is Biden. Therefore, it is completely unrealistic to jump from one floor to a completely different one. And we all understand everything. Do you want to negotiate? Are you an interested party? Then you need to take some action for this. In particular, to take the troops to the borders by February 24 and say, look, we are already doing this, and these are good prerequisites for negotiations. Release the prisoners of war, well, exchange them. That is, to take steps that do not mean, Embaló, tell Zelenskyy that I am ready. And such a plan. And then you have a great chance to talk with Zelenskyy, and with Biden, and with everyone else. But when you don't do that, you just engage in deception, besides, the Americans replied yesterday that they don't see any serious grounds that Moscow really wants negotiations, which means, translated from diplomatic terms, that Moscow continues to deceive. It shows a kind of readiness for negotiations, but in fact it continues to try to twist the whole situation and, in order to stop the Ukrainian Armed Forces' offensive, offers endless armistice agreements, then does not accept them, let's continue negotiations, let's use the Istanbul format. The whole set.

But it is a very characteristic moment that Putin raised the stakes, or rather the degree of nuclear hysteria to a level not seen since the Caribbean crisis. And as you correctly noted, its level has fallen from the level of the first, or second, or third nuclear power to the level of the upper volta with missiles. But Putin's hysteria is manifested in Shoigu's calls, who called everyone he could call, then he was assisted in that matter by the Chief of the General Staff, Gerasimov, and all with the same obsessive opinion that Ukraine, which seems to be unknown what kind of bomb it is making, is to blame for something. But! As a matter of fact, no one is afraid and the world does not kneel before Putin.

Well, as it used to happen. A commotion started immediately, let's persuade him, let's entertain him, there really is no such thing, because the strategy has changed. Blinken recently stated that this statement from the US that Putin has been warned about everything has probably reached Putin, what the consequences will be. Moreover, these are not abstract points, but concrete a, b, c and so on. Specifically, what will happen to them.  And this certainly does not please Putin, it frightens Putin. So, you know, even in these trainings and everything else, there is a kind of tentative demonstration that is needed only to create a picture. It has no real basis, no determination that we will be there in spite of everything. Everything is somehow very careful. But you know, it's all because they have a dirty bomb somewhere. What a dirty bomb? Where is the dirty bomb? And no one believes that, everyone knows in advance that this is a lie and a provocation, and nothing else should be expected from the Moscow side. That's why it all doesn't work, no negotiations, no threats, no good will. Everything gives a negative result, that's why they fuss.And the more that commotion, the more the feeling of strength arises in those who oppose them, by virtue of collectivity, by virtue of possibilities.  Look, the Americans have always acted on detente, that is, tension was resolved by detente. I am talking about both the broad sense and the narrow one. And what is happening now?

"A new type of atomic bombs are being prematurely transported, which are to be delivered to Germany, the 101st division is training on the NATO border in Romania, besides, statements are being made as harsh as possible. That we, under certain circumstances, the command of the division, despite the fact that in the future, it was corrected by the Pentagon and the White House, in principle, we are ready to enter, there are no reflections or fear, it will be necessary - we will enter, what we are talking about."

Redeployments are underway, and NATO forces are being reinforced along the entire perimeter of the border with Russia. This is the answer. It is very important to emphasize that this is a response to all those attempts at blackmail, then threats, then escalation. And there is nothing to respond to Moscow. How should they have responded - to capture Kyiv.

Well, both yes and no. They have, so to speak, the last argument, which will be answered both by the collective West and the specific deterrent forces of the Euro-Atlantic Union. It is about the fact that it was not for nothing that Putin began to withdraw certain units from Kherson, so to speak, and to establish others. They start dismantling monuments to various Russian occupying field marshals and so on. That is, it seems that they planned some kind of nuclear abomination on that very perimeter.

And this is all in one key. If, for example, they planned to blow up the Kakhovka HPP, flood both the left and right banks with water, then this is in the same vein, not to mention the use of tactical weapons, an extreme measure that will have known consequences. Even the Kakhovka Dam, accusing Ukraine's Armed Forces of this provocation, does not produce the desired result. I repeat, in order to successfully carry out all these special operations and provocations, it is necessary to have success on the fronts. It is necessary to advance in the direction of Kyiv, or capture Mykolaiv, then it makes an impression, because there is a clear picture. But the opposite is happening, since the beginning of September, since the beginning of the Kharkiv operation, a turning point has occurred. It seemed earlier that the withdrawal of troops from Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy as a result of successful countermeasures by the Armed Forces of Ukraine might have been the turning point, but there was still something to discuss.  Moscow justified itself that it was a gesture of goodwill, although no one believed it, but it was still possible to talk about something. What is the Kharkiv operation? With the de-occupation of more than 10,000 square kilometers. What is this but a military success on the part of Ukraine and a military defeat on the part of Moscow. And yes, with lower dynamics, with lower intensity, but it continues in the direction of Svatove and Kreminna, it continues on the right bank, from Visokopillya. Look at how the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine advanced on the right bank. Yes, they slowed down, because here you have both mobilization and climate change. Now it's raining, the rainy season, of course, it affects everything. But this is not the merit or success of the Russian military command of the so-called special operation. This is not their military success from the use of mobilized forces, which they have been carrying out since the end of September. No, these are all actors indirectly influenced by Moscow. Therefore, against this background, trying to demonstrate, conduct some diplomatic or public operations with the participation of the Russian leadership is ineffective and does not make any impression on anyone. You win at the front, you win on the battlefield, then they will start talking to you, because you will show strength, and behind all this - a demonstration of weakness. Moreover, this weakness is growing. I want to tell you that we are always in focus, focusing on the West, Ukraine, Eastern Europe, and there are already problems in Asia and they are obvious. And they are increasing, because the other day there was a statement by the Indian leadership, on which bets were also made, Moscow was counting on. Well, of course, during these months, energy cooperation with India stopped. In India, in general, the pro-American government rules, and everyone knows it. Indian nationalists are in power, but despite this there is a long history of cooperation between Moscow and Delhi, more than half a century, even more. Now it is a much longer period, after the fall of colonialism, after all that history from Gandhi to Nehru. Therefore, this bridgehead has already been lost, because military cooperation is also limited.

But what did Putin's friend Xi Jinping do here? Well, this kind of crypto-state coup, destroyed the system of clan control of various other groups, then went to the finish line of the usurpation of power, the usurpation of power will lead to an economic fall, and what will they try to stop the economic fall? According to Surkov's advice, of course, by increasing the level of external entropy. Yes, I have a feeling it will work.

Well, I agree with you.  In general, it can be stated that Deng Xiao Ping's legacy will be reviewed. This should be clearly stated.  Although I love this episode, and you know, there's a Politburo member Sun Ping sitting there, do you know how old he is? 105 years old, he sat and voted. He sat at the 20th Congress of the CPC. It's not even about age, it's about the fact that you understand how Xi Jinping is returning partially to the time of Mao. He sees himself as the next Mao, he sees the solution to the problems facing China in the style of Mao. Undoubtedly, he chose the path of totalitarization, a softened system of the authoritarian, traditional system in China. He decided to make a kind of comeback, and against this background all that legacy, he makes an impression. However, in his speech at this convention, Xi stated that the world is bipolar. Wait wait, like bipolar? And who are these fields? Well, this is Washington and Beijing, but where is Moscow, which declared multipolarity. In my opinion, this is a direct message, not addressed to Washington, but to Moscow. Dear friends, you, a vassal territory dependent on us, arranged all this nonsense, which led, in particular, although not directly, to the decline in the economy of China itself, and this is known about the decline in economic growth due to the general crisis. Unlike Putin, there are no fools. 

"Give up Eastern Siberia, Trans-Baikal, and the Far East, where China's influence is already great, but give it back irrevocably, in the sense that there will already be semi-Chinese administrations, there will be a dual system of control - from Moscow and from Beijing, there will be exploitation of resources, business will be built there in order for China to compensate for the fall in the economy due to the withdrawal of production, the emergence of distrust between the West, Europe and Beijing."

Therefore, from this point of view, the weakening of Moscow and even a slight defeat in Ukraine are beneficial to China. Yes, of course, if Moscow won the war in 2-3 days, then this is a different conversation, you could write off America and so on. But this did not happen. That is, Moscow did not win this war, did not capture Kyiv, and why help it get out of this war without losing face. On the contrary, let it lose face, let it crawl on its knees to Beijing, begging it to save the economy, under sanctions, deindustrialized, with a destroyed military-industrial complex, with the same destroyed industrial potential, which was low, but now reduced to the lowest level, from the country, from the third to the fourth world, specialists left, IT experts left, engineers who you were just going to use as cannon fodder, throw away like "mincemeat", which will never make meatballs.

Yes, and this "mincemeat" cannot be turned back. Although, on the other hand, we can see how excited these crazy comrades, namely Strelkov and others. This means that Prigozhin became stronger, he took Strelkov into custody and so on. That is, it seems that they are starting to sculpt Urfin Jus's wooden shelves out of shit and sticks.

They will not mold them. All they will get is the Praetorian Guard of Putin himself. That is, there is no doubt that this is from the submission of the FSB, because let's not forget that Strelkov is a colonel of the FSB. He is still Lubyanka's candidate, not someone else's.  And I have said many times that he should not be perceived as a separate figure criticizing Shoigu's government, he is a working mechanical bunny with a key in his ass, he was turned and now he is banging on this drum, and now he has been sent to another area.  This is a completely explanatory concept.  They need some kind of force to be created at the front, which, to put it mildly, is not under the control of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, let's say. Because who knows how the army will behave, well, the generals, not the rank and file. After all, they are now kept in a black body. Look how they jumped on Lapin, the colonel-general, whom Kadyrov could not cover with any words, and for this they gave Kadyrov the next rank of colonel-general, they made Lapin and Kadyrov equal. No matter what we say, this Lapin still graduated from school, crawled on his stomach for years, decades as an officer, graduated from the military academy, did a lot of things,  and went through the ranks. And then suddenly he was equated with some pet of Putin without secondary education. I'm sorry, this is a humiliation, including for the army, not to mention the general disgrace that accompanies the General Staff, Gerasimov, and Shoigu.  Because they are trying to shift the blame for the lost war to them, it is said directly.

And what part should Strelkov and Prigozhin play in the current situation?  That is, they will turn on themselves the rest of all these crazy crazy criminals, the black hundred and so on down the list.

Prigozhin is, in my opinion, completely "wooden", he can't come up with any ideas, his heuristics are at their maximum - when he scored prisoners, it was a success of successes. Strelkov-Girkin is not like that. He can have different ideas, he understands everything and definitely has some ideas.  Unlike Prigozhin, who is a player, but without ideas. Strelkov has some ideas, no matter if they are definitely imperial, he can make some plans. As for if the situation turns, we have a chance, a certain portal of possible ignition of some higher levels. But they won't be allowed to do so, as they are counterbalanced by a heavy-handed government apparatus. If such a moment comes when Putin is removed, I strongly believe that there will be no Prigozhin, Kadyrov and Girkin, they will be removed. And they will not have these forces, despite all their armies of Urfin Jus, they will not be able to face a real army, because its possibilities are limitless.

But someone has to lead the army, someone has to become this counterweight to Prigozhin, Girkin and co. I do not believe that Medvedev, a horse in a coat, will be able to gather around him people who could, I don't know, put them against the wall, for example.

No, Medvedev is not a figure at all. I'm just saying that, as you remember, there were talks that Zolotov would almost certainly be appointed as the Minister of Defense, although this is also not excluded, but it was just a mouthful. Zolotov is not much smarter, he generally worked as a locksmith, he didn't get any education, after serving in the army, Korzhakov told in detail that he wrote with mistakes, an application for employment with ten mistakes, and there were two lines. No, it won't fix the situation, but imagining the promotion of Kadyrov, Prigozhin, tried for robbery, or Girkin to some higher positions will cause an immediate reaction.

"Because no one will go if Kadyrov is appointed Minister of Defense, but I don't believe that, no one will go to fight for Kadyrov. No one will accept this, especially the generals."

The soldier in the trench is not asked. He has to die and that's it. And the generalship under their command will not work. And Putin, by the way, understands this very well. Therefore, he needs to have this so-called Praetorian Guard, or call them Basmanov's henchmen there, in order to have a balance, if anything. If the army suddenly becomes indignant, because the confrontation between the army and the FSB is obvious, it is obvious. Neither one nor the other will protect Putin himself, but some such paramilitary structure will not allow Putin himself to be removed as a result of these clashes. Therefore, it is of course important for him to have different poles of power.  Needless to say, Putin understands this due to his fear and hardware experience. What you can't deny him is the Jesuit desire to push everyone together and act as an arbiter. He understands that under certain circumstances it will not allow anyone to group on the alternative pole, even if it is not a person, but some kind of environment, for example, the army. It cannot be allowed to come together. Therefore, I think that nothing will come out of this project, none of the Girkins, Prigozhins and certainly Kadyrovs will be able to change places with Putin, or even a little lower floor. In this sense, the government apparatus in Russia is very monolithic, it will not accept foreigners. And all three are foreigners.

And why did they bring Medvedev in the role of Schwonder to the surface? Well, you see, dressing him up like some kind of Obersturnberführer in a coat that is three sizes too big for him and sending him to communicate with the proletariat is simply ridiculous, unconvincing. But no, that means there is some idea.

Medvedev is a funny figure, he exists only because Putin wants him to. Putin shows him tenderness and gratitude for the fact that he spent the election with him in 2012, held the post of president for four years with Putin as prime minister. And in fact, all the power was, of course, with Putin. Therefore, Medvedev is even allowed to shout more and walk around the shops in a leather coat, which looks like a woman's. For God's sake, go. Another thing is that he will never get real power again. The apparatus has a different vision, the talks are about Mishustin, and formally, according to the constitution, he should replace Putin, if anything. Because he is the acting president, it is written in the constitution. Of course, the constitution is chewed paper, no one looks back at it, but he is not directly responsible for the war, only indirectly. As a prime minister, a business manager, he could, as he has been around since the 90s. Of course, he is a corruptor, a fraudster, a member of the FSB, his father, but he is more acceptable to them. Because he is less bloodthirsty, his plans are to continue to live hedonistically enjoying themselves, through the exploitation of the enslaved population of Russia, but not to fight with anyone. I think that these are the feelings associated with him. And the talk that he is going to be removed from the post of prime minister is most likely not unfounded. Because Putin is preparing in advance to eliminate Mishustin as a potential, perhaps even unrealistic, competitor. Another thing is that Putin will never appoint a strong figure to the post of prime minister. There has never been a more powerful figure in the role of prime minister, not including himself. Putin will appoint only one who cannot be Dmitry Patrushev, the 42-year-old who could potentially replace Putin. It should be a manageable shape. And even if it builds up potential, it must be removed in time. This has always happened.

We are talking about really serious, important things, but Tarakanova, who packed her suitcase and ran away.  Ksyusha was walking along the highway and holding a suitcase, that is, Sobchak ran away. Well, I would like to ask your version of what happened. If they wanted to imprison her, I think they would have detained her, but no, they gave her a green corridor. With what functionality, is she supposed to lead the Russian opposition in exile, to become a kind of Savinkov?

I believe that she has no chance to lead the opposition or to be represented in it, to become a part of it. This is absolutely out of the question. First of all, I think that she herself does not want this, because when commenting on everything that happened, she says that it is a misunderstanding, everyone should sort it out and there is no confrontation, no anti-war appeal, no anti-Putin narrative, it is absent at all. That is, all the talk about the fact that this is a misunderstanding and it will be resolved.  She still, most likely, really crossed the border with an Israeli passport, as I suspect, because she cannot do this with a Russian passport, even with a visa, it is forbidden. It is forbidden, it must be a humanitarian visa, Lithuania has banned entry, only with special permits. Therefore, she could cross with another passport, an Israeli one, but the information about this is published, it is difficult, because we did not see the passport. But I think it is most likely so. In regards to her accusations, first of all, I think it's true, they were really doing block for money in their resources, and I think she's always been doing it, by the way, it's not something she started yesterday, so it was considered normal business, for which they have never been taken by the gills, absolutely everyone is fascinated by this, because it is a way to feed, such a feeder. Therefore, most likely, with a high probability, this is all true.  Another thing is that she left. She was allowed to go not by the forces that support her, but by those forces that, on the contrary, such an interspecies story, are trying to remove her from the field both as a media face and as a representative of the Sobchak family, while her mother continues to be a member of the Federation Council, she is not some kind of cleaning lady, but a close person.

Ksenia has a certain status, she is like Putin's goddaughter.

Of course, you know that her personal bodyguard was Zolotov. Zolotov was Ksenia Sobchak's personal bodyguard during the reign of Anatoly Sobchak. He went to school with her, I don't know, but probably he changed her tights when she was a little girl. Tell me, is it possible to burn under such a roof at all? Of course not. Therefore, I think that this story will be resolved after some time. Not tomorrow, but she will be back. Maybe by then something will change and she will be told that no matter how bad your stay here is, living somewhere abroad is a normal practice. In this environment, everyone is arguing, everyone is clarifying relationships, so there is nothing political in this, there is nothing anti-Putin in this, that some are for, others are against, this story is not about that. It is simply about the intraspecies division of power, money, and connections. She is a bohemian, she does not threaten anyone or anything, and she doesn't want it. She and her husband, Bogomolov, are very close to Mayor Sobyanin, who finances them, also with the permission of the Kremlin, she has a special relationship with Kirienko, he covers for her, she is his close confidant, Sobchak herself. Therefore, yes, she cannot open the door like that and go to Putin, it is impossible, Putin is a closed figure, you cannot communicate with him, only indirectly through trusted persons, which she probably does through Kovalchuk, I suspect. But I repeat, there is no political component in this story, at all.

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